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10 Anni 7 Mesi fa - 10 Anni 7 Mesi fa #292864 da Careggi

leadauria ha scritto: caro careggi,
in merito alla tua risposta di ieri volevo dirti che non sono in grado di interpretare le tabelle che hai pubblicato. volevo solo sapere secondo la tua personale opinione e la tua tanta esperienza, senza una matematica precisione, se con i vari scorrimenti ho buone possibilità di entrare in una qualunque facoltà d'Italia.
p.s ti ricordo che sono in posizione 14'270 circa
p.p.s ti ringrazio davvero tanto in anticipo :) aspetto una tua risposta



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Come ho suggerito a tutti quelli nei tuoi paraggi, dovresti seguire il tuo Piano B :dry:
Dubito che il 14 o il 21 avrai una prenotazione.
Se leggi il topic sulle previsioni e statistiche noterai che a lungo termine potrebbero capitare dei posti negli atenei del Sud anche oltre la tua posizione. Questi posti NON sono prevedibili adesso perchè sono ancora troppo distanti.
In bocca l lupo ;)


1______2______3______4________5________6_______7_______8_______9______10_______11_______
Posti__Posti__Posti__Posti____Posti____Prenot._Posti___Fine____TOT____INDICE___%________ANALISI
Rinunc.Miur___Imm.___Asseg.___Prenot___Aggiunt.Attesa__Posti___6+7+8__DIFFIC.__Non IMM__<=14270


27_____262____213____20_______29_______619_____674_____573_____1866___38.08____18.70____M. Pisa *
9______330____232____12_______86_______784_____842_____619_____2245___22.91____29.70____M. Firenze
6______231____95_____5________131______543_____579_____537_____1659___12.20____58.87____M. Siena
18_____250____181____14_______55_______483_____609_____497_____1589___23.03____27.60____M. Genova
22_____400____350____27_______23_______1079____1157____671_____2907___58.14____12.50____M. Bologna
42_____552____410____41_______101______620_____665_____586_____1871___13.18____25.72____M. Polic. La Sap.
11_____220____187____10_______23_______491_____552_____538_____1581___47.91____15.00____M. Roma Tor Ver
36_____370____334____36_______0________1039____1135____617_____2791___77.53____9.73_____M. Milano
4______242____138____7________97_______704_____796_____573_____2073___19.93____42.98____M. Parma
5______223____163____5________55_______515_____512_____510_____1537___25.62____26.91____M. Perugia
8______121____113____6________2________714_____683_____528_____1925___240.63___6.61_____M. Mod. R. E.
6______218____120____5________93_______780_____870_____578_____2228___22.73____44.95____M. Ferrara
5______200____114____4________82_______454_____503_____513_____1470___17.09____43.00____M. S. And. La Sap.
1______121____32_____2________87_______385_____413_____478_____1276___14.34____73.55____M. Pon. - La Sap.
13_____135____114____14_______7________915_____892_____533_____2340___111.43___15.56____M. Milano Bic
24_____420____396____24_______0________983_____1082____604_____2669___111.21___5.71_____M. Padova
14_____177____162____11_______4________835_____909_____557_____2301___153.40___8.47_____M. Verona
4______209____173____14_______22_______672_____760_____511_____1943___53.97____17.22____M. Brescia
18_____407____382____16_______9________407_____323_____451_____1181___47.24____6.14_____M. Nap. Fed II
5______440____260____11_______169______203_____270_____417_____890____4.94_____40.91____M. Nap Sec. Uni.
2______159____89_____1________69_______481_____542_____443_____1466___20.94____44.03____M. Var. Insubria
21_____389____343____19_______27_______630_____757_____564_____1951___42.41____11.83____M. Torino I Fac.
20_____200____150____21_______29_______878_____937_____579_____2394___47.88____25.00____M. Pavia
4______95_____66_____1________28_______401_____449_____425_____1275___43.97____30.53____M. VC Avogadro
10_____106____91_____9________6________472_____576_____431_____1479___98.60____14.15____M. Udine
3______195____143____8________44_______170_____251_____413_____834____16.04____26.67____M. Salerno
0______75_____26_____1________48_______185_____243_____391_____819____16.71____65.33____M. Molise
4______160____136____5________19_______396_____388_____435_____1219___50.79____15.00____M. Polit. Marche
3______140____90_____8________42_______266_____334_____436_____1036___20.72____35.71____M. L'Aquila
4______134____104____6________24_______480_____615_____452_____1547___51.57____22.39____M. Trieste
6______120____92_____7________21_______456_____447_____439_____1342___47.93____23.33____M. Torino II Fac.
17_____296____273____14_______9________274_____286_____413_____973____42.30____7.77_____M. Bari
9______212____127____10_______75_______317_____380_____460_____1157___13.61____40.09____M. Chieti
0______240____128____5________107______53______198_____367_____618____5.52_____46.67____M. Catanzaro
4______215____113____11_______91_______51______203_____365_____619____6.07_____47.44____M. Messina
17_____400____287____20_______93_______81______203_____367_____651____5.76_____28.25____M. Palermo
12_____316____292____9________15_______160_____212_____371_____743____30.96____7.59_____M. Catania
2______75_____45_____3________27_______190_____252_____400_____842____28.07____40.00____M. Foggia
1______120____61_____1________58_______89______197_____354_____640____10.85____49.17____M. Sassari
8______198____163____6________29_______138_____207_____371_____716____20.46____17.68____M. Cagliari

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10 Anni 7 Mesi fa #292896 da Tiffanygirl93
Tentiamo di fare un'ipotesi per domani..contando che ci sono solamente 465 assegnazioni e volendo fare una stima di rinuncia tra 5% e 10%
al massimo potrebbero rinunciare dai 23 ai 46 posti..è un giusto ragionamento o mi sbaglio?

-Ti fan giocare ma di vincere non c' è speranza. c'è sempre chi la sporca,chi cambia le regole in corsa ,chi fa la voce più grossa,chi spende e chi compra.

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10 Anni 7 Mesi fa #292898 da DrHP
Su cosa basi l'ipotesi 5-10%?
Sicuramente ti risponderà Careggi (che non ho capito se si diverta con la matematica, sia ossessivo-compulsivo, stia preparando un'app per le sue previsioni, si eserciti per diventare un attuario coi controglioni, una qualsivoglia combinazione di quelle sopra o tutto quanto insieme).

Quello che sarà davvero interessante, per me, sarà vedere alla fine quali e quanti spostamenti tra sedi ci saranno stati (anzi, Careggi, inizia ad analizzare, eh? :) ).

Careggi aveva ipotizzato anche dei "bloccaposti", poi non ha più spiegato, anche questo mi piacerebbe capirlo.
Io ho la sensazione che a partire da una mezza dozzina di candidati su 3-4 sedi sia tranquillamente possibile che gli scorrimenti verso le sedi con preferenza maggiore siano vicendevolmente bloccati.

Mai darsi per vinti! Mai arrendersi!
comandante Peter Quincy Taggart
Galaxy Quest, 1999

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10 Anni 7 Mesi fa #292907 da Careggi

DrHP ha scritto: si eserciti per diventare un attuario


Magari avessi fatto la laurea in studi attuariali. E' notoriamente risaputa come una delle più difficili e come potete intuire è colma di matematica apllicata e teorica. Ma coloro che escono da una buona Università con questa laure hanno una carriera molto remunerativa davanti a loro. Magari qualcuno che non vuole più fare medicina può informarsi ;)
Qui usiamo la matematica che la mia professoressa Russa di matematica descriveva come "kitchen and garden variety" :lol:

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10 Anni 7 Mesi fa #292910 da Careggi

Tiffanygirl93 ha scritto: Tentiamo di fare un'ipotesi per domani..contando che ci sono solamente 465 assegnazioni e volendo fare una stima di rinuncia tra 5% e 10%
al massimo potrebbero rinunciare dai 23 ai 46 posti..è un giusto ragionamento o mi sbaglio?


Come avrai visto dalle tabelle ogni ateneo ha una sua "forza di attrazione" per le matricole. Quindi se intuisco il fine del tuo ragionamento, io valuterei parametri nell'ateno di tuo interesse e guarderei anche come sono andate le RINUNCIE e le IMMATRICOLAZIONI. La tabella qui sotto ti può aiutare.
E' meglio guardare gli ASSEGNATI insieme ai PRENOTATI di primo livello. Se guardi i dati del 7, abbiamo avuto MOLTISSIME immatricolazioni anche dai prenotati.! :huh: Penso che sia dovuto all'effetto "strizza" di rimanere per mesi appesi alle liste :dry: 72 scelte erano veramente troppe. Comunque tireremo le somme quando l'ultimo posto verra assegnato :)



1____2______3________4_______5________6______7______8______9______10_________
Rinu_Posti _%________Immatr__% Immat__30 set_30 set_7 Ott__7 Ott__7Ott_______
nce__Miur___Rinuncie_icolati_ricolati_Asseg._Prenot_Asseg._Prenot_Posti disp___________

17___296____5.74_____273_____92.23____284____12_____23_____9______32_________M. Bari
22___400____5.50_____350_____87.50____365____35_____50_____23_____73_________M. Bologna
4____209____1.91_____173_____82.78____167____42_____36_____22_____58_________M. Brescia
8____198____4.04_____163_____82.32____160____38_____35_____29_____64_________M. Cagliari
12___316____3.80_____292_____92.41____298____18_____24_____15_____39_________M. Catania
0____240____0.00_____128_____53.33____96_____144____112____107____219________M. Catanzaro
9____212____4.25_____127_____59.91____121____91_____85_____75_____160________M. Chieti
6____218____2.75_____120_____55.05____89_____129____98_____93_____191________M. Ferrara
9____330____2.73_____232_____70.30____207____123____98_____86_____184________M. Firenze
2____75_____2.67_____45______60.00____34_____41_____30_____27_____57_________M. Foggia
18___250____7.20_____181_____72.40____182____68_____69_____55_____124________M. Genova
3____140____2.14_____90______64.29____80_____60_____50_____42_____92_________M. L'Aquila
4____215____1.86_____113_____52.56____105____110____102____91_____193________M. Messina
36___370____9.73_____334_____90.27____370____0______36_____0______36_________M. Milano
13___135____9.63_____114_____84.44____122____13_____21_____7______28_________M. Milano Bic
8____121____6.61_____113_____93.39____121____0______8______2______10_________M. Mod. R. E.
0____75_____0.00_____26______34.67____16_____59_____49_____48_____97_________M. Molise
18___407____4.42_____382_____93.86____398____9______25_____9______34_________M. Nap. Fed II
5____440____1.14_____260_____59.09____193____247____180____169____349________M. Nap Sec. Uni.
24___420____5.71_____396_____94.29____420____0______24_____0______24_________M. Padova
17___400____4.25_____287_____71.75____278____122____113____93_____206________M. Palermo
4____242____1.65_____138_____57.02____105____137____104____97_____201________M. Parma
20___200____10.00____150_____75.00____157____43_____50_____29_____79_________M. Pavia
5____223____2.24_____163_____73.09____152____71_____60_____55_____115________M. Perugia
27___262____10.31____213_____81.30____232____30_____49_____29_____78_________M. Pisa *
42___552____7.61_____410_____74.28____468____84_____142____101____243________M. Polic. La Sap.
4____160____2.50_____136_____85.00____136____24_____24_____19_____43_________M. Polit. Marche
1____121____0.83_____32______26.45____21_____100____89_____87_____176________M. Pon. - La Sap.
11___220____5.00_____187_____85.00____188____32_____33_____23_____56_________M. Roma Tor Ver
5____200____2.50_____114_____57.00____95_____105____86_____82_____168________M. S. And. La Sap.
3____195____1.54_____143_____73.33____125____70_____52_____44_____96_________M. Salerno
1____120____0.83_____61______50.83____56_____64_____59_____58_____117________M. Sassari
6____231____2.60_____95______41.13____69_____162____136____131____267________M. Siena
21___389____5.40_____343_____88.17____337____52_____46_____27_____73_________M. Torino I Fac.
6____120____5.00_____92______76.67____80_____40_____28_____21_____49_________M. Torino II Fac.
4____134____2.99_____104_____77.61____98_____36_____30_____24_____54_________M. Trieste
10___106____9.43_____91______85.85____94_____12_____15_____6______21_________M. Udine
2____159____1.26_____89______55.97____62_____97_____70_____69_____139________M. Var. Insubria
4____95_____4.21_____66______69.47____60_____35_____29_____28_____57_________M. VC Avogadro
14___177____7.91_____162_____91.53____175____2______15_____4______19_________M. Verona
2____66_____3.03_____45______68.18____30_____36_____21_____21_____42_________O. - La Sap.
3____18_____16.67____10______55.56____9______9______8______7______15_________O. Bari
1____30_____3.33_____17______56.67____15_____15_____13_____12_____25_________O. Bologna
0____20_____0.00_____11______55.00____7______13_____9______9______18_________O. Brescia
0____20_____0.00_____6_______30.00____1______19_____14_____13_____27_________O. Cagliari
0____23_____0.00_____19______82.61____14_____9______4______4______8__________O. Catania
0____15_____0.00_____4_______26.67____3______12_____11_____11_____22_________O. Catanzaro
0____54_____0.00_____23______42.59____17_____37_____31_____31_____62_________O. Chieti
0____20_____0.00_____8_______40.00____6______14_____12_____12_____24_________O. Ferrara
3____58_____5.17_____23______39.66____20_____38_____35_____35_____70_________O. Firenze/Siena
1____35_____2.86_____14______40.00____6______29_____21_____21_____42_________O. Foggia
0____25_____0.00_____17______68.00____15_____10_____8______7______15_________O. Genova
0____30_____0.00_____11______36.67____8______22_____19_____17_____36_________O. L'Aquila
0____25_____0.00_____8_______32.00____4______21_____17_____17_____34_________O. Messina
2____60_____3.33_____42______70.00____24_____36_____18_____17_____35_________O. Milano
2____30_____6.67_____8_______26.67____4______26_____22_____22_____44_________O. Milano Bic
1____15_____6.67_____7_______46.67____5______10_____8______8______16_________O. Modena e R. E.
2____30_____6.67_____22______73.33____22_____8______8______8______16_________O. Nap. "Fed. II"
4____24_____16.67____18______75.00____20_____4______6______6______12_________O. Nap. Sec. Uni.
1____25_____4.00_____15______60.00____15_____10_____10_____9______19_________O. Padova
1____25_____4.00_____20______80.00____17_____8______5______5______10_________O. Palermo
0____25_____0.00_____13______52.00____11_____14_____12_____11_____23_________O. Parma
1____22_____4.55_____9_______40.91____5______17_____13_____12_____25_________O. Pavia
0____12_____0.00_____4_______33.33____2______10_____8______8______16_________O. Perugia
0____15_____0.00_____14______93.33____13_____2______1______0______1__________O. Pisa
1____25_____4.00_____7_______28.00____6______19_____18_____17_____35_________O. Polit. Marche
2____42_____4.76_____29______69.05____27_____15_____13_____12_____25_________O. Roma Tor Ver.
0____20_____0.00_____3_______15.00____2______18_____17_____17_____34_________O. Sassari
5____45_____11.11____32______71.11____35_____10_____13_____11_____24_________O. Torino
1____30_____3.33_____22______73.33____17_____13_____8______7______15_________O. Trieste
0____20_____0.00_____12______60.00____8______12_____8______8______16_________O. Var. Insubria
1____25_____4.00_____9_______36.00____8______17_____16_____16_____32_________O. Verona
459__10302__4.46_____7490____72.70____7212___3090___2812___2347___5159_______<----TOTALI

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10 Anni 7 Mesi fa #292911 da Careggi

DrHP ha scritto: Quello che sarà davvero interessante, per me, sarà vedere alla fine quali e quanti spostamenti tra sedi ci saranno stati (anzi, Careggi, inizia ad analizzare, eh? :) ).

Careggi aveva ipotizzato anche dei "bloccaposti", poi non ha più spiegato, anche questo mi piacerebbe capirlo.
Io ho la sensazione che a partire da una mezza dozzina di candidati su 3-4 sedi sia tranquillamente possibile che gli scorrimenti verso le sedi con preferenza maggiore siano vicendevolmente bloccati.



Quando parli di spostamenti, stai parlando di quanti non vengono ASSEGNATI alla loro prima scelta?

la "Lista Tappo" si è persa nelle pagine del Forum e la rimetto qui per permettere a tutti di CALCOLARE quanti candidati davanti a loro hanno selezionato TUTTE 72 scelte

Questa lista riporta tutti i candidati che hanno indicato TUTTI I CORSI A TUTTI GLI ATENEI.
A cosa serve?

ESEMPIO: Se sei il numero 13635 sai che PRIMA di te ci sono 86 candidati che, avendo scelto tutti i corsi e gli atenei (72 scelte) fanno da "TAPPO" o barriera alle tue ambizioni :pinch:
Non vuol dire che si iscriveranno!!! Comunque questa lista ti può aiutare a intuire come sei messo quando tieni conto dei posti disponibili a ogni scorrimento :dry:

Se siete 14000 avete 118 candidati che possono bloccare le vostre speranze :pinch:

NB: Questa lista non considera quelli che ,davanti a voi, hanno scelto meno di 72!! Andrebbe ampliata con tutti i candidati che hanno scelto le sedi del SUD ( Le statistiche indicano che le sedi del NORD si saturino molto prima)


______________POSIZIONE_________________________________________POSIZIONE
Numero________MIUR___________Codice____________CATEGORIA________CATEGORIA

1_____________12769__________18MP30766_________Fine posti_______48
2_____________12773__________24MP31434_________Fine posti_______52
3_____________12774__________C6MP30076_________Fine posti_______53
4_____________12827__________40MP31554_________Fine posti_______106
5_____________12839__________14MP30793_________Fine posti_______118
6_____________12841__________20MP33162_________Fine posti_______120
7_____________12847__________26MP30184_________Fine posti_______126
8_____________12856__________26MP31145_________Fine posti_______135
9_____________12862__________26MP36329_________Fine posti_______141
10____________12864__________01MP30574_________Fine posti_______143
11____________12871__________49MP31721_________Fine posti_______150
12____________12880__________02MP31764_________Fine posti_______159
13____________12882__________15MP30959_________Fine posti_______161
14____________12894__________53MP32372_________Fine posti_______173
15____________12927__________31MP32123_________Fine posti_______206
16____________12947__________02MP30661_________Fine posti_______226
17____________12961__________02MP31121_________Fine posti_______240
18____________12963__________27MP31460_________Fine posti_______242
19____________12966__________C5MP32353_________Fine posti_______245
20____________12973__________09MP30613_________Fine posti_______252
21____________12983__________28MP30727_________Fine posti_______262
22____________12996__________C5MP31677_________Fine posti_______275
23____________13027__________02MP31113_________Fine posti_______306
24____________13029__________28MP30793_________Fine posti_______308
25____________13043__________08MP30197_________Fine posti_______322
26____________13058__________26MP37385_________Fine posti_______337
27____________13066__________28MP30827_________Fine posti_______345
28____________13072__________11MP31641_________Fine posti_______351
29____________13076__________09MP30483_________Fine posti_______355
30____________13098__________26MP37081_________Fine posti_______377
31____________13104__________03MP31725_________Fine posti_______383
32____________13110__________20MP31638_________Fine posti_______389
33____________13142__________04MP30299_________Fine posti_______421
34____________13154__________08MP33151_________Fine posti_______433
35____________13155__________55MP31055_________Fine posti_______434
36____________13156__________03MP30594_________Fine posti_______435
37____________13212__________08MP32565_________Fine posti_______491
38____________13219__________10MP31041_________Fine posti_______498
39____________13220__________31MP30873_________Fine posti_______499
40____________13224__________18MP30267_________Fine posti_______503
41____________13230__________22MP31445_________Fine posti_______509
42____________13238__________33MP30533_________Fine posti_______517
43____________13239__________23MP30379_________Fine posti_______518
44____________13247__________26MP37667_________Fine posti_______526
45____________13251__________18MP31328_________Fine posti_______530
46____________13252__________29MP30046_________Fine posti_______531
47____________13255__________C9MP30437_________Fine posti_______534
48____________13261__________49MP30608_________Fine posti_______540
49____________13275__________18MP33794_________Fine posti_______554
50____________13276__________49MP32627_________Fine posti_______555
51____________13284__________11MP30121_________Fine posti_______563
52____________13296__________20MP33341_________Fine posti_______575
53____________13308__________01MP30140_________Fine posti_______587
54____________13317__________18MP35948_________Fine posti_______596
55____________13348__________18MP33155_________Fine posti_______627
56____________13374__________26MP33094_________Fine posti_______653
57____________13376__________20MP32428_________Fine posti_______655
58____________13377__________26MP32590_________Fine posti_______656
59____________13388__________04MP31842_________Fine posti_______667
60____________13392__________04MP31431_________Fine posti_______671
61____________13400__________C9MP30707_________Fine posti_______679
62____________13406__________27MP30319_________Fine posti_______685
63____________13408__________20MP30682_________Fine posti_______687
64____________13452__________20MP33340_________Fine posti_______731
65____________13456__________20MP31543_________Fine posti_______735
66____________13467__________C5MP30737_________Fine posti_______746
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